Hi all — I’m reposting this as its own topic because it got
buried at the end of an existing thread and I never got a definitive answer.
Original discussion for reference: MultiPlus-II
48/5000/70-95 120V not accepting wide range 45Hz to 65Hz —
and the model-number breakdown that helped me understand the problem: Multiplus-II 120V
System frequency
I would rather have a
blunt “no, that will not work” than a maybe. I am about to spend real money on
replacement units, so I need to know the actual behaviour
before I order anything.
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2 × MultiPlus-II
48/5000/70-95 120V, part number PMP482505110 (the 60Hz-only
variant, as I now understand it)
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Configured as a 120/240V
split-phase pair (L1 + L2) on VE.Bus,
producing standard US 120/240V 60Hz when inverting
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“Switch as a group” is currently
UNCHECKED
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48V battery bank
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Shore power is fed to Victron 3600W
isolation transformer (240/120 Auto model) which then feeds ONE of the Multiplus II units.
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Loads include one 240V dive
compressor fed L1–L2. Everything else is 120V. L1 panel has only 50hz
compatible equipment, L2 panel has equipment that requires 60hz
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This is a vessel, so shore power
coming from the same cable is one of three things: 1) 240/120 60 hz split phase 2) 120V 60hz 3) 230V 50hz European style
power
Behaviour I
rely on today (please confirm I’ve described it correctly)
With “switch as group”
unchecked and 120V / 60Hz fed to the AC input of one unit
only:
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That unit closes its transfer relay,
passes the 120V/60Hz through to its AC output, and goes into charger mode to
charge the battery bank.
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The other unit stays in inverter mode
and stays synchronised, so the pair still produces
correct 120/240V 60Hz split-phase at the outputs.
That is what I observe now and it is important to me — it lets me use the standard
output of my isolation transformer.
I want to also be able
to plug into 230V at 50Hz shore power
(I have built plug adapters for the same cabling) and at minimum charge
the batteries, without damaging anything and without having to reprogram
the system every time I move between a 60Hz country and a 50Hz country.
I understand from the
linked threads that:
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PMP482505110 = MultiPlus-II
48/5000/70-95 120V (what I have) — 60Hz only (What my dealer installed)
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PMP482505120 = same, UL 1741
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PMP482505300 = MultiPlus-II
48/5000/70-95 120V 50/60Hz (What I think my dealer should have
installed)
1. Inverter output after
upgrading. If I replace both units
with PMP482505300, can they still be configured as a 120/240V split-phase pair
producing 60Hz output when inverting
(i.e. does the 50/60Hz variant let me lock System Frequency to 60Hz for the
US-style output)?
2. 60Hz shore power on
one leg. With two PMP482505300 units in
split phase and “switch as group” unchecked, does the behaviour
I described above (one unit passes through + charges, the other keeps
inverting, pair still delivers 120/240V 60Hz split phase) remain exactly the same? This is the behaviour
I do not want to lose.
3. 50Hz shore power on
one leg — this is the crux. With the same
configuration, if I feed 240V / 50Hz into the Isolation
transformer which changes it to 120V 50hz AC which is
input to one unit only:
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(a) Will that unit actually
accept and synchronise to 50Hz, close its
relay, pass 50Hz through to its own AC output, and charge the batteries?
Provide power assist?
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(b) What does the other unit
do? My assumption was that it would keep inverting at 60Hz on its own leg — but
I want to know whether that is actually possible. In
a VE.Bus split-phase system,
are the two units required to remain frequency- and phase-locked to a single
system frequency? If so, does the whole system follow the incoming
50Hz, or does the system simply refuse the 50Hz input, or does it fault?
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(c) If the two legs genuinely do end
up on different frequencies, am I right that there is then no valid
240V between L1 and L2, and that I must not run my 240V dive compressor in
that state? Is there any risk to the units, the loads, or the neutral/ground
bonding in that condition, beyond simply not using the 240V loads?
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(d) If instead the entire system
follows the 50Hz input, what happens to my 120V 60Hz loads on the output — do
they simply see 50Hz until I disconnect shore power?
4. Mixing models. Can
I replace only one of the two units with a PMP482505300 and
leave one PMP482505110 in place, and still get all of
the above (including proper 120/240V 60Hz split phase when inverting, with the
50Hz only ever applied to the new 50/60Hz unit)? Or does Victron require identical
part numbers / Comp_IDs / firmware for both
units in a split-phase VE.Bus
system? If mixing is not supported, please say so plainly — I would rather buy
two units than build something unsupported.
5. Configuration. Are
there any settings changes required to make the 50Hz input work on a
PMP482505300 — “Accept wide input frequency range (45–65Hz)”, System Frequency,
grid code, “switch as group”, UPS function, or anything in the
Multiphase/Split-phase configuration in VE.Configure?
Or is it plug-and-play once the correct hardware is in place? Screenshots of
the relevant VE.Configure
tabs would be hugely appreciated.
6. If the answer to #3 is
“no”. If a split-phase 120V system fundamentally cannot take 50Hz on
one leg while inverting 60Hz on the other, what is the recommended Victron
approach for a US-style 120/240V split-phase vessel that needs to charge from
50Hz shore power? Specifically:
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Is the correct answer a separate
standalone charger (e.g. a Skylla-IP44/IP65 or Phoenix charger fed
from the 50Hz shore supply) feeding the DC bus, with the MultiPlus-IIs
left permanently inverting at 60Hz and never seeing
the 50Hz input at all?
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Or is there an autotransformer /
isolation transformer arrangement that Victron considers correct here?
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(For completeness: Quattros will not physically fit in my
installation, which is why the MultiPlus-II route was
chosen. So “use a Quattro” unfortunately isn’t available to me.)
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Or can I reconfigure by unplugging one
unit from VE bus and installing config files for each inverter to run as
separate stand alone unit (yes I will shut off breaker to sive
compressor in this case) - This is my least favorite option but might be the
only way and I would accept that.
A definitive answer from
someone who has actually done this on
120V hardware, or from Victron directly, rather than an inference from the 230V
models — the 230V and 120V units clearly behave differently here, and the
manual is genuinely ambiguous on this point.
Tagging a few people who
have already contributed useful information on exactly this topic, with
apologies for the direct ping: @OGPS (you
documented the three part numbers and the stocking
levels), @tonic (you
hit the same model change),
Thank you very much —
I’m happy to run tests and post results back here if that helps anyone else in
the same position.